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Where Does Miami Rank on Virginia Tech's List of Rivals?

The Hokies and Hurricanes are again meeting late in the season with plenty on the line. The Hokies are looking to clinch the Coastal division while Miami looks to snap the Hokies' eight-game winning streak and keep their own ACCCG hopes alive.

At this point, the two teams are definitely rivals, fueled by a series of important meetings, similar to the way Oregon and USC can be considered a rivalry. When the Hokies and Hurricanes meet, it's usually meaningful for at least one team, if not both. Because of this, Kyle Tucker of the Norfolk Virginian-Pilot argues that Miami may be Virginia Tech's top rival:

For the same reason the Hokies' rivalry with in-state foe Virginia has lost some luster in recent years - as Tech has won six straight and 10 of 11 against the Cavaliers - the annual meeting with Miami remains unpredictable. And there's usually a lot on the line for both sides when these two teams play.

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Virginia Tech fans speak of the 2003 game against Miami (and the intensity of that night's crowd) with revered tones. I was at the 2005 game, where Miami crushed No. 3 Virginia Tech despite one of the loudest outdoor crowds I've ever experienced.

The competitiveness of the games has made this a rivalry, but so has the culture clash. Hokie fans pride themselves on being hard-working and blue-collar. Miami fans are known for their swagger and trash talk. Despite all of this, I'm still not willing to call Miami our top rival.

I will always consider UVa to be our top rival for the shear hatred and in-state factor. I won't do what a lot of the Hoos do when they say, "Oh, they're not our rival, North Carolina is." No way. UVa's our top rival, no matter how the recent series history as gone. Hokie fans have to deal with UVa fans in everyday life. Miami fans really only make themselves known one week a year.

UVa is our top rival and always will be because of the social and recruiting ramifications. But Miami is right behind them because of how much it matters in the standings.

Why do you rank our rivalry with Miami?

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2nd.

 1. UVA
 2. The U
 3. WVU

by Estonianzulu on Nov 19, 2010 8:31 AM EST reply actions  

They're definitely up there...

I would say that Estonian has the top three rankings right, except that Georgia Tech is probably on major rivalry alert based on the last couple of meetings – We’ve had the war of words between Beamer and Johnson, Choppergate, and in 2008 we had Jerseygate, where S. Glennon had to wear an old GT jersey to play. GT has probably pushed WVU out of the 3 spot for now, just because they haven’t played the Hokies in awhile.

By the way, I was at the 2005 Miami game also. Sitting in traffic on the way out, I caught Beamer’s post game press conference, and to this day, that was the most disappointed that I have ever heard him. I think the fact that the crowd cheered and screamed even after the outcome was pretty much decided, really affected him. During the press conference he spent emotional several moments apologizing to the fans.

by Leonard Thompson on Nov 19, 2010 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

jerseygate was 07

i’d almost put gt third at this point because we don’t play wvu anymore.

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by furrer4heisman on Nov 19, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

You're right...

jerseygate was 2007. We played GT in 2008 at home. 2008 was when Johnson whined about late hit-gate.

by Leonard Thompson on Nov 19, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d be more interested to see where Miami ranks us.

by SJPhillyVT on Nov 19, 2010 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

Probably below

FSU and UF. Maybe even Notre Dame.

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by furrer4heisman on Nov 19, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I figured below the two Floridas, but I’d think 3rd above ND.

by SJPhillyVT on Nov 19, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm must be weird...

I base my rankings on how much I hate the school as a whole, and how much their fans/coaches/players piss me off. Honestly, I still have WVU at the top of my list just because of the rivalry within my family (mom and dad were both born in WV) despite the fact that they’re in the Big East. That one will be renewed one day, and I guarantee it’ll have the same fire when it starts up again. I think we have five TRUE rivals: WVU, UVA, Miami, BC and GT. Here’s how I rank ’em:

1. WVU
2. UVA
3. Miami
4. Georgia Tech
5. Boston College

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by The Miz on Nov 19, 2010 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

For me it’s again more of a hate factor, UVA isn’t even in my top 4 hated teams

1.WVU (for the horrible way we were treated in Morganhole at the last VT-WVU game i will always hate this team and thier fans the most)

2.Georgia Tech (have become more relavant to beat for Coastal Title in recent years than Miami, plus the triple option is so stupid and annoying)

3. Boston College (i’ll never get over that Matty Ice game in Bburg)

4.Miami

5. UVA ( when we aren’t playing them, i’d rather see a team from my state beat some one outta state than vice versa, so they aren’t totally hated in my book, but i still laugh when they lose bad games and thier fans are really annoying because they hate our success)

by Gobbler on Nov 19, 2010 10:45 AM EST reply actions  

I’m with you on this one, I just cant get worked up for UVA. Maybe its cause they have been pretty sucky since my Freshman year, I dunno. But I hate WVU and I hate that I have to cut through that horrible place that is Morgantown when I drive home to see my parents. Eff them and eff that dirt ridden town

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by renstar on Nov 19, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

UVA is top rival

I relish watching UVA lose every single game because I hate them so much. However, I like Miami to beat every team they play until we meet them. I guess I consider UVA our top rival insofar as beating them means more than just dominating the ACC and being the best and toughest football team – it puts our pretentious tie-wearing friends to the northeast in their place. Beating Miami is very important and highly anticipated but the hatred between Miami and VT fans does not burn as bright on a personal level as with VT-UVA fans.

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by furrer4heisman on Nov 19, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

absolutely agree. And for the same reasons, WVU is more of a rival to us than Miami. I’d say 1. UVA, 1a. WVU, 2. Miami… and then there’s quite a drop off… I can’t say I really consider either GT or BC rivals.

by hokiegrad on Nov 20, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

1. The U
2. GT
3. WVU
4. UVA

As far as football rivalries, UVA is just irrelevant now. If they even got to a mediocre level, then I could move them back to #1 or 2, but right now they’re not even worth a rivalry.

by VTinACC on Nov 19, 2010 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

I've gotta go with the miz and Gobbler

I say that our truest rivalry game of the last 15 years other than Miami has been WVU, and that’s with 5 years of no games between the two teams. I think it’s deplorable that conference expansion led to the tabling of the VT-WVU game. No disrespect to Bill Roth, it’s his job to paint the Hokies’ picture as a Van Gogh every time, but when he asserted in 2006 that the rivalry was OVER, it just made my blood boil. There’s not a true Hokie fan on the planet that doesn’t recognize the historical relevance of the WVU rivalry and doesn’t want to see us stomp them into the ground, and that is a two-way street. For the life of me I can’t see why Jim Weaver and WVU’s AD at the time gave up that game, even if we were eliminating each other from the championship game every year, which like the current Miami scenario furrer pointed out, means we would be playing meaningful games with them EVERY year. Tell me that’s a game you wouldn’t pay to go see!

I guess I concur with not being able to get into the UVA rivalry as much. I do not like UVA, but UVA fans don’t talk smack to me nearly as much per capita as any of our other rivals. Plus the domination we’ve had over the last decade in the major money-making sports kind of dampens the fire. I know they’re still our in-state rivals, but that’s a default, so I kind of think that’s a cop-out to say they’re our biggest rivals because they’re in state. If I’m thinking in terms of RIVALRY, I’d go like this.

1. WVU
2. Miami
3. UVA
4. FSU

But when it comes to trash talking…
1. Tennessee
2. FSU
3. Miami
4. WVU
5. UVA

by chicagomaroon on Nov 19, 2010 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

Stuck in the middle with you

UVA has been and always will be the biggest rivalry to me. Miami a close second. I wish we still played WVU it was an awesome rivalry probably better than the UVA clashes. I think the Georgia Tech game is beginning to become a small rivalry as well. On a more personal not I live in EXTREME southwest va, so around here we see a lot of Volunteer Orange. After all it’s closer to Neyland Stadium than it is to Lane Stadium. I’m a Hokie through and through and I wish we would put the Vols on our schedule permanently, nothing made me a happier Hokie than beating the Vols last year.

by Jessee C Baker on Nov 20, 2010 12:17 AM EST reply actions  

Miami is our top rival...they have supplanted UVA...

I became a student at VT in 1993, their 2nd year in the Big East.

At the time we were coming off of a 2-8-1 campaign during which Maurice DeShazo had his tires slashed after the season-ending UVA loss.

As a freshman in an all male dorm, I had subscribed to Playboy during the summer when I got my address, and in September 1993’s issue, it had us 94th of 112 D1 schools.

In 1993, we beat UVA in Charlottesville, and we beat them 3 of the 4 years I was there, losing at home in 1994 on 5 Deshazo INTs. UVA used to be a formidable opponent, and they’ve still had a few top 5 NFL draft picks in recent years.

In 1993, we had no chance of beating Miami. Nor did we in 1994. Which meant, that we weren’t too optimistic going into the game in 1995, particularly after a pair of underwhelming losses to BC and CIncinnati behind Jim Druckenmiller.

That was the most important game during the bowl run. Sink to 0-3, don’t go that first Bowl Alliance game, who knows. As it stood, we shut Miami down (admittedly not their best roster), and won the game 13-7. Atle Larsen missed 3 FGs, and Jermaine Holmes dropped 2 sure TD bombs. We could have won at least 30-7. Jim Druckenmiller would only lose 2 more at VT.

We won the next 4 v Miami, until Butch assembled one of the best rosters ever. They would have beat us in 2000 even if Mike Vick and Andre Davis had been healthy, but they were one Wilford 2 pt conversion drop from an upset at Lane in 2001.

Certainly, the UVA game in 1995 was special for a number of reasons, and the placement of the game at the end of the schedule has often meant some things hinged on it for VT.

But the vaulting into the national conciousness was done on the strength of our Miami dominance, not UVA’s. Continually beating UVA has served to bolster our recruiting efforts and standing in VA and even up into suburban MD.

It’s difficult to hate someone you can’t take seriously. And for the better part of my association with the Hokies, Miami, WVA, and Syracuse have always been my more serious foils. On the rare occasions UVA has beaten us, it has been an annoyance, and until 2004, it wouldn’t have cost us in the league (hence, not costing us our chance at a conf title, and BCS game).

Finally, I don’t think any opponent engenders more actual hate than dormant foe WVU. So my list:

1) Miami
2 tie) WVU/UVA.

Note: While the division title is at stake today, more important to me is the fact that the first undefeated expanded ACC record is still out there. It would be nice to piss on all the detractors who didn’t want us in the league by owning that distinction.

Enjoy the game.

by flyers13 on Nov 20, 2010 9:47 AM EST reply actions  

2000

I have to disagree about the 2000 game. I was there, and I left absolutely convinced that we would have won if a) Vick had been healthy or b) Vick had not played (yes, I did say that) or maybe even c) Vick had played but we hadn’t tried to run the option. His ankle was not ready to run on, and it showed.

by hokiegrad on Nov 20, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

To this, I reply....

Ronyell Whitaker…

He didn’t play offense, and made it a personal challenge to allow the Florida schools to torch his sorry ass…

Between Miami and FSU (2x) he must have given up 8 TDs in 2000-2001.

Had Vick not played, we would have been feeding Dave Meyer to the wolves. He would have fared worse than Grant Noel of 5 INT fame….

by flyers13 on Nov 20, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe you’re right… you can never say for sure with “what-if” scenarios. But it was just so frustrating watching Vick try to run on an ankle he could barely walk on. If Meyer had played, you have to think the coaches would have run less option (well… one would hope, anyway, but obviously it’s not that simple with our history of OCs). And every option play we ran that day was a wasted play. At the very least, putting Meyer out there would have given us a better chance to win than Vick gave us that day. And I don’t think Meyer could have possible fared worse than Noel. Thought he was a better QB than Noel, and had 2 years more experience as I recall.

by hokiegrad on Nov 21, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

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