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Seth Greenberg to St. John's? Don't Count It Out

I am the sports fan who is never really satisfied with only the present. Whether it’s remembering the history, or predicting the future, either is more fascinating to me than what is happening right now.

So of course, I am already looking into the coaching carousel that will start to spin in the coming weeks, and as it begins to turn, there is the distinct possibility it could make a stop in Blacksburg along the way.

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And so I speculate.

St. John’s is in the midst of its own dark age. Once an elite program in the Big East, the Red Storm have hidden in the dungeons of the conference for the better part of this decade.

 In 2004, St. John’s hired Kansas assistant Norm Roberts to revive the program. In his first five seasons, his teams never finished better than 11th in the conference, and only had one winning season.

So far this season, the Johnnies are 15-14, 5-12 in the Big East. After several years of Roberts’ job being in limbo, this finally might be the year he is ousted.

Barring any miraculous run in the Big East Tournament, Roberts will be shown the door.

When he is, Seth Greenberg will be on the extremely short list of potential successors.

And he just might take the bait.

Though his career path hasn’t taken him anywhere near home, Greenberg is a Yankee at heart. Born and raised in Plainview, NY on Long Island, Greenberg graduated from New Jersey’s Farleigh Dickinson University in 1978.

While he has never indicated publicly he would even consider leaving Blacksburg for anywhere, it’s not far-fetched to think that he would jump at the chance to return to the Empire State.

Would it be a smart move? Maybe, maybe not. Virginia Tech has become a relevant program while St. John’s faces extinction in the meantime.

The reason the Hokies matter now is purely because of Greenberg. There is little to no tradition in Blacksburg, save for a couple NIT championships, but in the grand scheme of things, Greenberg’s tenure and the entrance into the ACC have brought Tech to another level.

Despite the two programs’ recent fortunes, a move from Tech to St. John’s would be a lateral move at worst.

In its history, St. John’s has made it to six elite eights and two final fours.

I would also argue that the Big East has supplanted the ACC as the premier league in college basketball. Even with 16 teams, no conference boasts as many elite teams as the Big East.

The Big East Tournament is now the best of its kind. For five days in Madison Square Garden, the tournament guarantees at least two or three games between top fifteen teams.

Recently the ACC Tournament has turned into a ho-hum affair in either the St. Petersburg Times forum or the Charlotte Bobcats Arena, where if you don’t face Duke or North Carolina, nobody really cares.

Greenberg has proven he can recruit at the highest level. He’s pulled in talent to Blacksburg that hardly anyone expected him to. He’s succeeded at three places that are far from national powers. Some of his biggest recruits in Blacksburg have come from inner cities. Baltimore/Washington D.C. and Philadelphia are the two developing pipelines Greenberg has developed at Tech.

At Saint John’s, he would have the streets of New York in his backyard to pick talent out of. The lack of nearby talent is one of the biggest problems the Red Storm have faced in recent years.

The timing might be perfect for the move. Key word: might. The Hokies return virtually all of their key players from this year’s team in 2010-11, setting up the season Greenberg dreamed of when he took the job.

However, Malcolm Delaney will certainly take a look at turning pro, and if he opts to leave school, it would knock Tech back to the middle of the pack next year.

This is far from a certainty. Hell, it doesn’t even qualify as a prediction. But Hokie fans, ye be warned of the Greenberg-to-Queens talk heating up should Norm Roberts be shown the door.

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How much longer will Seth Greenberg coach the Hokies?
This is his last year
106 votes
1 more year
23 votes
2-3 more years
43 votes
4-5 more years
31 votes
5+ years
174 votes

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New Jersey is the Garden State, New York the Empire State. So … Greenberg would be returning to the Empire State, not New Jersey, with a move to St. John’s, right? Just as a heads up.

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by Brian @ BCI on Mar 3, 2010 5:03 PM EST reply actions  

Also ...

While the Big East Tournament is one of the best conference tournaments in college basketball, I disagree with it still being the best of its kind today. Inviting all 16 teams to the tournament and having some strange, 5 round, 16 team affair is simply too much.

The top 4 teams not having to play the first two days of the tournament really makes the first two days fairly ho-hum.

To make the Big East Tournament great again, they need to go back to the 12 team format. Last year, none of the double digit seeds even made it to the quarterfinals. That first round is a waste of a day in my opinion.

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by Brian @ BCI on Mar 3, 2010 5:06 PM EST reply actions  

Josh

you are very right about cutting it back down, that would improve the tourney. however, we did get depaul’s shocking win on that wednesday!

From my early days listening to Bill Roth depict a dazzling Michael Vick dance around the field to glory until now, it has been more than a pleasure to be a Hokie fan. Since 1998, there has only been one game played in Lane Stadium I did not attend (stupid chicken pox), and I dread the day where I am not fortunate enough to be in the stands week after week.

It's a great day to be a Hokie!

by Josh Parcell on Mar 3, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

DePaul went 0-18 in the Big East during the regular season last year. So they win a tournament game against Cincinnati … should we even be rewarding an 0-18 team with a trip to MSG in the first place?

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by Brian @ BCI on Mar 3, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Back to Greenberg

I just don’t see it happening. Greenberg would probably love to return to his home state to coach basketball, but I strongly doubt he wants to start over after he has built this vt program from the ground up. He was a big part of getting us our new practice facility and like you said Josh, if Delaney stays then we could have a chance to win the ACC. I think if he were to leave, he would only do it if Delaney departs next year or after next season if he stays. I really don’t think Delaney is capable of pro yet, especially since he has never even played a game in the ncaa tourney yet. He might be a second round pick, but there’s no point in entering for that. I for one don’t want to see him leave early because next year will be special with our new Big 3 returning along with the addition of Allan Chaney to the lineup. I think Greenberg is here to stay, at least until this year’s junior class is gone.

by antonay on Mar 4, 2010 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

Would love to have him

I don’t know if he’s on St. John’s radar. Heck, I don’t even know if Norm Roberts is going to get canned after his sixth straight dismal season (no joke). But one has to have hope, and Greenberg would be right there on a list of realistic candidates for St. John’s. My list, at least. He has a proven track record and a personality made for NYC.

He seems to love VT though. Two daughters go there. If he continues the way he’s going, he could cement his legacy as the best coach ever at VT. Maybe he already has.

But has he done all he can do there? Is VT committed to basketball as it is to football? Will he always play second fiddle at a “football school”? Can he continually get the elite high school players in the shadow of other ACC giants?

St. John’s is a mess right now. It has been for several years. But I’d argue it has a higher ceiling than VT. That and the pull of his hometown may be enough.

by St. John's fan on Mar 4, 2010 5:48 PM EST reply actions  

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