2009 ACC Defensive Turnover Rates
Mon AM: 2010 ACC Returning Offensive Percentages
Tue AM: 2009 ACC Offensive Touchdown Rates
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NOW: 2009 ACC Defensive Turnover Rates
Thu AM: 2009 ACC Offensive Loss Rates
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Fri AM: 2009 ACC Offensive Red Zone Rates
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Earlier we saw which offenses had the highest turnover frequency in the ACC last year. Now, we take a look at the defensive side of the same stats. All raw data comes from CFBStats.com.
For the most part, total turnovers and plays per turnover rankings follow suit. However, Miami and North Carolina both make jumps because of how few plays they faced. Clemson had far and away the fewest passes faced per interception, though UVa wasn't too shabby. On the ground, Miami recovered a fumble for every 33.6 rushing plays they faced to lead the ACC with Virginia Tech right behind them.
I decided to leave sacks in with rushing plays on this one since sacks often times lead to fumbles. Plus it's impossible to throw an interception on a play in which a sack results.
Clemson forced six more turnovers than anyone else during league play, but the Tigers' defense also saw a lot more plays than anyone else. In they end, they still forced turnovers at the highest rate in the ACC, but Florida State isn't as far behind as it seemed at first. FSU's defense was similar to NC State's offense. It gave up a lot of points, but also forced a lot of turnovers.
By the way, when FSU and NC State met last season, the game saw 87 points and four turnovers.
With the exception of Maryland, the graph is nearly divided by bowl teams and non-bowl teams. the worst of the worst the conference had to offer all found their way to the back of the line in turnover rate (and the ability to force turnovers in general). Maryland's defense wasn't completely gawdawful last year, which is why there is some hope for the Terps in 2010.
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Fumble recoveries are random, which hurts this
Some teams are very lucky and others less so.
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Could you do INTs v. Forced Fumbles?
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Well
Football Outsiders has said pretty consistently in the past that there is no more than a 50% chance for either team to recover the ball on any given fumble. Sometimes the ball will bounce toward the defenders, sometimes back to the offense.
"[...] coordinator Bud Foster has never had problems filling holes."
Ball's still gotta get loose
So if 50% of all fumbles go to the offense and 50% of them to the defense then everyone still recovers the same percentage of all fumbles they force. So even if fumble recoveries were random, then it wouldn’t affect this stat.
This is the part
where Bud comes in and posts a link to his “fumble luck” post.
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by furrer4heisman on May 13, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't find it!
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by furrer4heisman on May 13, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
This is why I said can we use fumbles forced + ints
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Yes, recoveried are random. Forcing fumbles is not necessarily.
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Random's a bit strong
I understand your thinking when it comes to fumble recoveries but disagree somewhat. We were always taught to get “11 hats to the football” and “first man secure tackle second man strip.”
The point of those working in concert is getting more bodies to the tackle gives you more bodies to recover fumbles. So, even knowing the ball bounces strangely at times, I can’t buy that its completely random. More aggressive, gang tackling defense recover more fumbles.
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by InTheBleachers on May 13, 2010 6:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's been pretty much proven
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There are a lot of things
that you and FO write about that I’m on board with, but the idea that there is no skill at all involved in recovering fumbles is absolute rubbish. If coaches teach teams to swarm to the ball carrier, they’re going to have better luck recovering fumbles. Some of it is the bounce of the ball, but some of it is teaching your defenders (or offensive players) to always be prepared or always be in position to recover a potential fumble.
Awareness is a part of it.
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by furrer4heisman on May 13, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Then why don't those teams who teach it recover them better year-to-year
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If Its random
Then why do teams spend so time almost daily on fumble recovery drills. Why do coaches preach the first man “scoop and score” and second man “cover it up” strategy? Like I said, I understand that their is an element of luck to fumbles because of the bounce but its not completely random.
They’re like 50-50 balls in basketball. The more aggressive, swarming team is going to get those most of the time.
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by InTheBleachers on May 13, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do managers hit-and-run?
Coaches want to feel like they have some control over it.
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