Is Playing Boise State Still a Lose-Lose Proposition?
When Boise State was selected to its first BCS Bowl following an undefeated 2006 regular season, the Broncos were still given little respect and were ranked No. 9 by both polls. Fans and beat writers of their opponents, Oklahoma, considered the game a lose-lose situation for the Sooners, who were 11-2 and champions of the Big 12.
If they beat Boise in the Fiesta Bowl, the Sooners would have only done what was expected of them against a lesser opponent. If they lost, it would be a huge embarrassment to a team that was considered college football royalty.
The result, of course, was one of the better college football games in recent memory and helped put Boise State and Chris Petersen on the map. And after another undefeated season and Fiesta Bowl championship, the Broncos are posed to be ranked in the Top 5 when they face off with the Hokies on FedEx Field.
But is scheduling the Broncos a mistake? Can Virginia Tech still not win even if they beat them on Labor Day?
Boise State's perception is slowly changing in the national media and the Broncos will soon take a step up to the Mountain West Conference. But I wonder if their perception has changed enough that the Hokies would get the credit they deserve for a possible victory against them.
This Boise State team should command a lot of respect from fans and pundits around the country. The Broncos were impressive last year, starting with what I thought was a dominating performance against Oregon on the season's opening night.
If a team from a BCS conference had gone 14-0 the season before and only lost one starter, everyone would vote them the preseason No. 1. But because Boise plays in the WAC there are still skeptics out there and that's why I wonder what the reaction would be if Virginia Tech were to win this game.
Would the Hokies be praised for beating a Top 5 team or would the public just consider Boise overrated and exposed?
What do you guys think? Is playing Boise State still a lose-lose for the Hokies or any other BCS school or have the Broncos earned the respect they deserve with two BCS bowl wins?
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It will be like Miami Game if we win
I think most of the national media realizes that this is a very good broncos team. And if the hokies win i think that the disrespect that will be shown towards tech will be in the form of “the were lucky to pull this one out” or label it a “fluke win”, like miami last year when it seemed like no one (one ESPN at least) wanted to give VT any credit, they acted like miami just gave us the win. I don’t feel like they will down play the broncos talent right away, if they lose to someone besides tech then they will say they’re not that good.
As a Boise State fan, I feel your pain.
We were “lucky” to beat Oregon twice. We were “lucky” to win two Fiesta Bowls. It does start to chafe after a while.
I think if you win it won’t be chalked up to luck simply because no matter how much ESPN pundits hate you, they hate Boise State more.
If you beat Boise State, I won’t chalk it up to being lucky. You’ll deserve it. Sadly, though, I don’t have a television network. Hopefully both Boise State and Virginia Tech show up and play their hearts out. Kinda hard to brush something off as a fluke when two teams do that.
by Spyder Mayhem on Jul 21, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
As a fellow boise state fan...
I love my BSU team that is for sure!!! But I’m with spyder.. If VT wins that game I will definitely give them the credit that is due.. BSU has a very tough team and win or lose I just want a good game!! We have been criticized on ESPN for a while now and we are just getting the credit we have earned.. VT is a tough team and I again will not count a win against BSU as “lucky.” But i think there needs to be a playoff system in place rather then the whole voting system.. Good Luck VT in the coming game. Can’t wait to see the season opener!
by Chris Coates on Jul 21, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure...
that playing Boise State is just a “Lose” proposition.
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by furrer4heisman on Jul 21, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You bring up the question I've been too scared to say out loud.
And its a damn good point. I think that we really won’t get the credit we deserve if we win that game until later in the year and we find out how good Boise is. However, I think the worst scenario is if VT kills Boise. I’m not saying it’s likely, but if Kellen Moore throws 3 picks and Tech wins 42-14, that’s when people will write off Boise and probably shortchange the Hokies a bit. Either way, this is a fine, fine line when talking about possible repercussions.
From my early days listening to Bill Roth depict a dazzling Michael Vick dance around the field to glory until now, it has been more than a pleasure to be a Hokie fan. Since 1998, there has only been one game played in Lane Stadium I did not attend (stupid chicken pox), and I dread the day where I am not fortunate enough to be in the stands week after week.
It's a great day to be a Hokie!
Lose Lose
Suppose we win against Boise St. our next 2 games are at home against JMU and ECU…
The national media wont care if we blow these teams out, but rather focus on our strength of schedule. I think that there is great potential for VT to win a lot of games this season, but my fear is that our schedule will be criticized once again by the national media. Leaving us with a lack of respect that I think we have earned due to the stability of our program over the past decade.
Lose Lose
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by VaTechDirtybird on Jul 21, 2010 11:20 PM EDT reply actions
Mon 9/6 1027 Boise State -3½ -110
Obviously Vegas thinks the game is worth the gamble because they pick them to win anyways. We’ll see if that changes once the games gets closer and the public influences the line, but the line says a lot about a game that’s played less than 300 miles from VT and ~2000 miles for Boise.
only the rest of the season
calls it a win or a loss. If both teams finish out their seasons with undefeated (with the exception of the loss to the other team) then it will be a win. If we were to loose to Boise and they went to the national championship, then yet again our big loss at the begging of the season was to a national championship team. It only becomes loose loose if either team tanks there season or Boise looses a game they should just dominate in after beating us.
You beat me to that point
I’ve been thinking that too. This game is getting so much hype and NCG implications that it will be a “loss” for the winning team if the loser goes on to have bad season. More so for the Broncos, this is likely the ONLY top-10 quality team we’ll face. So if we want a shot a NC, not only do we have to win, but we need VT to dominate the rest of the season and be ACC Champs to have a legit claim.
So if we want a shot a NC, not only do we have to win, but we need VT to dominate the rest of the season and be ACC Champs to have a legit claim.
It’s gonna take more than that to be in Glendale in January. See PAC10 champs; Oregon of last year. Boise State will need teams in front of them to lose late in the season.
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could debate this all day...
but I say lose, lose in the end. Whoever loses this game will have a long season of “what if” to think about, especially if the rest of the season goes well.
If BSU enters the season ranked at #3 then it's a win win.
Losing to a team ranked 5+ positions ahead of you in rank isn’t a bad thing and probably won’t drop more than 2 spots in ranking. How the collective college football audience would view VT is another story. They might tend to view a lose to BSU as losing to an above average team. BSU can put 35 on the board pretty easily, but you don’t hear to much about their defense, which I think has improved a lot in the past 4 years. They scheme well and are pretty fast. Boises D-line is solid and very deep. Whatever happens I think it’s gonig to be a great game!
As stated before...
How would the Hokies like the treatment Boise State gets from the national media? If the Broncos win it’s " the VT D was too young " or " they wern’t ready to play " ( the Oregon game last year). If VT wins it’s ’ I told you, it was just a matter of time before Boise State was exposed " We fans put up with this BS all the time see (M. May/C. James). Take a look at it from our side. Not so much fun, is it? Good luck to the Hokies, I hope they win all their games but one.
"Boise State football is now a Fargo winter. You know what's coming, and that information does you no good whatsoever". Matt James / The Fresno Bee
Better off then Ole Miss.
At least Va Tech and Boise are both poised to be something this season. For Ole Miss (Boise’s opponent next year), it will basically be a $900k advertisement.
I think this would be a lose-lose if you were the Big East. But in the ACC, you can still “control your destiny” by winning the rest of your schedule and still show up in a BCS bowl and even the BCS title game. It’s more close to a lose-tie than a lose-lose. But sadly, much like Va Tech, Boise won’t be given much credit by the WWCL for it either way. All that is coming in pre-season hype. We will drop 2-4 spots in the BCS polls come November.
"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson
Good read, furrer.
It is an interesting Idea.
From a Boise fan w/ Hokie glasses on, I’d say that you may be right. If you lose then you lost to a “mid major”. If you win, you beat a team that was overrated (in the eyes of the media) and that won’t be heard of much the rest of the year. And yes, that is even assuming they win the rest of their games. Thats a tough situation considering the actual team you will be playing is talented, and maybe most importantly experienced and game-ready.
Playing a BCS caliber team with a WAC label is always a lose-lose.
The problem is playing a BCS caliber team with a WAC label means it is, nearly, life and death for that team. It will be tough to match the emotion that BSU will bring, even with a home crowd. VT players still know, even if its in the back of their minds, we are not suppose to be “that good.”
Old enough to know better, too young to care.
Who cares?
Just win the damn game, Hokies.
If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!
Robert Hunter
Perhaps lose-lose
Unless the Hokies win by a small margin (no more than 5 points). I think that if the win was close AND both teams are top-ten, then VT might get something from it (and Boise goes on to win all of their other games of course). But if they blow out the Broncos, then the “overrated” term will get thrown around like oral narcotics in a Saint’s coaches’ meeting. Even if Boise went on to beat every other team they played by 30 points, it wouldn’t matter. Gotta keep it close.
Blah blah blah
Again – I measure wins/losses by the Win/Loss column.
If BSU has something to prove to the skeptics, they know what to do. Same goes for VT.
I have always, & will always, maintain that the BCS was an SEC-conspired clusterf#@k intended to keep that division ensconced as the Holy Grail of CFB. Until a playoff system is instituted & the BCS is buried with Jimmy Hoffa, never to be found, we’ll continue to have BS arguments like this.
These kids are here for the love of football. Let ’em play & take the politics of money & “heritage” out of the picture. Other sports have playoff systems. The arguments against one in CFB are as flimsy & insulting as a Rush Limbaugh commentary on class equality.
If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!
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My apologies
Didn’t intend for an off-the-cuff analogy to ruffle any feathers.
If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!
Robert Hunter
by Buck Melanoma on Jul 27, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
No worries
I’d just rather keep political stuff off here.
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by furrer4heisman on Jul 28, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Going to be a great game!!!
This Boise State fan has tons of respect for VT. Ignore Bluecose, we both have “over-excited” goof balls that talk smack. I think the Boise defense and VT offensive match-up is pretty much a wash. The key to this game is going to be who has the best game plan between the Bronco offense and Hokie defense. Boise is tough when they have time to prepare for a big game. The Hokies are just plain tough. I see this one 27 to 24 with the team that best addresses the “key to the game” winning. Can’t wait for this one!!!
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Addressing VT's running game
Not much of it if the O Line can’t block. Ryan Winterswyk is a monster. Mackey and Venable will read that run game like a book.

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