Virginia Tech's Offensive Problems Go Much Deeper Than the Red Zone
The topic du jour for Hokie beat writers and bloggers is the offense's struggles in the red zone. The Hokies have reached the end zone on nine of their 18 trips, which ties them for 81st in the nation in red zone TD percentage. Tech red zone TD percentage was 60.4 in 2009 (52nd) and 46.6 (108th) in 2008.
This week, those struggles have been dissected to death. Joe at the Key Play broke down every play we've run in the red zone this season and discovered we run too many plays for negative yards. Darryl Slater looked at Tech's history of running (and running and running) in the red zone. But a quote from Kyle Tucker's examination of the problem lets you know what the Hokies' problem on offense really is.
When asked about Tech's tendency to run on nearly every first down in the red zone, here's what Frank Beamer had to say:
"Well, did you count the number of wins we had? Did you throw that stat in there?"
And there it is. To me, our problems in the red zone, and on offense in general, boils down to the coaching staff's inability to admit that there's a problem. Beamer was asked about play-calling and percentages and his answer used the past tense. How many wins we had.
College football is not about how many wins you had last year or how many you had in the last six seasons. It's about the ability to recognize trends and adapt accordingly. We did with the defense in 2003 when Cal obliterated our (basically) 4-4 defense in the Insight Bowl.
Last year, I thought Bryan Stinespring had turned a corner as an offensive coordinator not because of any stats we put up at the end of the year, but because after the Nebraska game, a game we won (past tense), he examined film with his team and took responsibility for some of the offense's failings and admitted that he made some bad calls.
That brings me to the whole point of this post: Responsibility. Earlier today David Teel posted some quotes from Paul Johnson ripping his Yellow Jackets for their performance against NC State. He asked if Beamer would ever say things like this. The fact is, Beamer does it all the time, but he does it passive-aggressively.
How many times have we heard Beamer and other coaches say this year that we were one play away or one block away or didn't execute. These quotes from Beamer, like the one above about past-tense wins, deflects responsibility from himself and the other coaches and onto the players.
And that makes me sick.
Yes, these kids are receiving scholarships and at some point have to make plays. But they're still kids who aren't getting paid to play this game (I hope). And they are players that this coaching staff recruited and coached and are responsible for. Beamer is responsible for hiring the coaches that are responsible for recruiting and coaching the players.
If we're consistently one play or one block away, over and over again, year after year, the responsibility is not on the players, it's on the coaching staff. All of them. Beamer, Stinespring, Curt Newsome, even Bud Foster, who isn't nearly as bad as the rest of them but it still prone to saying things similar to "one play away."
That has to wear on these players to hear from their own coaches in the media say that if they were the ones from keeping the coaches' great schemes from coming to fruition. The responsibility for winning and losing falls on everyone, both the players and the coaches.
And after seeing Stinespring take some responsibility after Nebraska, it makes all that much more disappointing that we've reverted to talking about one block and one play away from having success. When are we going to hear from Beamer that we were one call away or that we didn't have the kids coached up for that one play or one block? When is the responsibility going to be shared equally?
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It's classic football mentality
…to avoid the numbers and shoot from the hip. I think most NFL teams are starting to adopt the QC coordinators that track trends and tendencies of offenses but I’ve never heard of a college team effectively tracking opposing coordinators and their tendencies. Maybe because college players are less robotic than their NFL counterparts but maybe because college sports is behind the curve when it comes to changing mindsets.
I write stuff From the Rumble Seat.
Stinespring
claims he has a computer that analyzes our play calling to see if we’re being too predictable. I think it’s a Commodore 64.
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by furrer4heisman on Sep 29, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
the computer
doesn’t recognize visual cues.
when we see coale run in motion across the line of scrimmage and slow down at the te, is their any chance it’s not a run to that side?
it’s not b.s. that the avg fan knows what the play call is 33% (being generous) of the plays.
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What a great comment. It is exactly these types of details that defensive coordinators pick up on to shut this offense down. It’s what leads them to shout out adjustments which our offensive players hear and get so damn disheartened when they know that the defense knows what’s coming. That and some stupid missed blocks every game aren’t doing the offense any favors.
Foster
I guess I give Foster a bit of a pass with this simply because he has shifted schemes and changed things up when it seems his defense is getting ripped. Case in point, after the JMU game, he had a defensive players meeting early Monday morning and ripped them. It also seems that he makes in game adjustments better than Stinespring.
I definitely give Foster a pass because he actually does something versus trying to do it better
Foster’s defense has had some slow starts to years and this year was no exception. However, he’s made adjustments:
1. He’s been using the nickel package very successfully.
2. He’s been getting his playmakers on the field (Exum and Gayle)
3. He’s been successful at using the 30 line package on passing downs.
4. He’s getting that fired up emotion out of his players.
Meanwhile on the offensive side of the ball, nothing seems to be changing. The Beamer-Stinespring-Hite philosophy it’s not the scheme or the play-calling, we just have to execute better. First off, the offensive line is not very good for the Eleventy Millionth time. They need to find what the strength is and stay with it. They are not using their most potent weapon: Tyrod Taylor. He can stretch the field and with guys like Roberts, Boykins, Coale and Davis, he should be passing the ball downfield more to open up the running game. We are in a situation were we need to pass to set up the run.
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he should be passing the ball downfield more to open up the running game
I believe F4H has brought this up before, but I don’t think our #1 priority should be bombing the ball downfield, but using play-fake and passing short over the middle where the linebackers have bitten on fake. I’m not saying abandon the bomb altogether, but we HAVE to establish more of a short passing game. We started to see some of that to Andre Smith this past weekend.
Yeah
You need to throw deep once a quarter to prove to defenses you’re willing to do it and because it’s an aggressive act. It’s more of a mental thing. But with how our offensive line has been blocking, there just isn’t enough time to run plays that take a long time to develop. That will especially be the case Saturday against Tenuta and Archer. We need a short and intermediate passing game badly.
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by furrer4heisman on Sep 29, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Mack Brown
is a real man. After last week’s embarrassing loss he took full blame. He said to the world in very clear terms that the loss was on him. He and his staff hadn’t prepared the team properly or put them in a position to win. He recognizes he has the talent, just like we do, and it’s his job to make sure they perform up to expectations.
He also apologized to the fans because they deserve better. This is a coach that has won a national championship and is apologizing after 1 loss. Frank could learn a whole lot from his humbleness. The fans play a huge role in a program’s success. Frank needs to recognize that we traveled to Atlanta 3 times last year. What other fans would do that? He needs to shoot straight with us and put in max effort instead of slacking in certain areas like improving the offense and emphasizing recruiting with his staff.
As much as I dislike Texas
I have a lot of respect for Brown. He has said a lot of times, “Here, players win and coaches lose.” Players will work hard for a guy saying stuff like that.
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by furrer4heisman on Sep 29, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed. It would be interesting to see how many coaches who have won national titles regularly make (or made) comments like Beamer et al. does.
To me, when you say “we’re only 5 plays from being undefeated/playing for an NC/winning an NC,” it’s nothing more than mental masturbation and shows a defeatist attitude. Especially when you’re saying it year after year after year after year.
it's effn sweet
that rodgers came down to teach stiney so many red zone plays, only to use the same 3 vt already had.
I wouldn't be surprised
If we ran on every red zone first down from here until eternity just because Beamer doesn’t want someone else to be right.
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by furrer4heisman on Sep 29, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Offense is too predictable
The problem is we don’t show enough different offensive sets. We either run off tackle or an end sweep or throw a screen pass or short and out. VT’s offense has always been very conservative under Beamer. I also believe the conservative thinking of the coaches passes on the the players. We never hear the coaches in the beginning of the season say the ONLY goal for this team is the win the NC. It seems like the only goal they have is to win the ACC and win their Bowl Game. They need the old mentality of " refuse to lose" and demand the players have the same.
Whiny
Damn, Hokie fans are getting whiny. It’s weak when you can’t enjoy a 19-0 win and immediately search out the negativity.
I can’t really argue the teams red zone woes, so I won’t but seriously, line likes “and that makes me sick” about Beamer using typical coach speak. Well, sorry, but if you’re that naive about how football coaches talk to the media maybe this isn’t a site worth reading after all.
When are you going to hear a veteran coach come out and talk shit about his team? Not gonna happen…get over it.
When are you going to hear a veteran coach come out and talk shit about his team? Not gonna happen…get over it.
My whole point above is that Beamer IS saying negative things about the players and it annoys me. The fault is always directed towards the players and never onto himself or the coaching staff.
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by furrer4heisman on Sep 29, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand that but qoutes like:
“How many times have we heard Beamer and other coaches say this year that we were one play away or one block away or didn’t execute.”
are nothing but coach speak. This idea that he’s throwing the blame on the players while ignoring blame on himself is, in my opinion, cynical. You see it as The players didn’t make the plays but I see it as The team didn’t make the plays and when I think of team I think of the coaches as well. As in, the coaches didn’t prepare the players.
All I’m saying is some Hokie fans have become too interested in the negative and are jaded by the wins.
Rigor,
you my friend are very wrong.
We are not dumb and know very well it’s coach speak but thanks for letting us know.
We all know that Frank beats around the bush when asked the tough questions, that does not mean we will accept it.
Beamer is very stubborn and runs the whole football program, Weaver is just a puppet, and can’t do jack. I have been at some functions in his house and I can tell you he is like the God almighty (pardon the blasphemy) everyone is looking up to him, its pretty much a dictator ship.
Last year on FBS, someone posted an interview with a former player a WR, the player wanted to remain anonymous, that is how much people are afraid of Beamer and his influence.
Until the big money boosters, the ones that give the millions in donations , say enough is enough, things will not change.
First, I didn’t call anyone dumb. I qouted the person who wrote this post and called him naive.
Second, thanks for your Alex Jones inspired rant about Beamer and Weaver’s dictatorship but come on back down to earth buddy. It’s a football team.
and Last, I’m hoping you aren’t implying that Beamer should be fired because if you are then all the credibility that I might default to you would be gone and I’m wasting my time talking to yet another internet troll.
First, I didn’t call anyone dumb
would you be so kind to point where did I state you did so?
Second, thanks for your Alex Jones inspired rant about Beamer and Weaver’s dictatorship but come on back down to earth buddy. It’s a football team.
only we are paying a lot of money for that team to exist in the state it is, I think we can ask for things to improve, sorry if that disturbs you.
I’m hoping you aren’t implying that Beamer should be fired
You like to put words in other people’s mouths. Let me ask you this if you think we are whining too much what the hell are you doing here?

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