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Ouch...Well that was a well deserved L

Yup...this about says it all.

Welp...that one sucked. Perhaps I should've delayed my Games We Wish We Had Back, as this game would have been an ideal candidate for that list. But, unlike mentioning a perfect game or a no-hitter in baseball, I don't believe that I jinxed us out of the win. If anything jinxed us, as Joe from TheKeyPlay pointed out, Mr. Beamer didn't get the memo about the Maroon Effect game.

But in actuality, it wasn't some weird curse or ritual that lost us this one. In a week where ESPN ran a film about Bill Buckner and a Billy Goat curse for the Red Sox and Cubs, we ran into a buzz-saw. That's about the long and short of it. But if you want the long explanation, which if you're still reading you do, then click that button and find out why we suck!

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THE GOOD

  • First off and most importantly, despite giving up 24 points, the defense is free of blame in this one. Period. They were asked to do WAY too much! 1. They held Tajh Boyd and Clemson to their worst outing of the season in both points and yardage. We held Boyd, a legitimate Heisman contender who was putting up numbers on pace with Cam Newton, to 41% passing and 28 yards on 10 carries. 2. We forced a turnover and forced Clemson to punt 9 times (including the one where we were penalized for roughing the kicker, which is not reflected in the box score). 3. Given the ridiculous starting field position that the Hokie offense and Scott Demler were gifting the Tigers, the fact that the Hokies were able to limit Clemson to 2 TD's and a FG (at least when it was still a game and our D was still actually playing) is pretty miraculous. We were DYNAMITE in coverage and our D controlled the line of scrimmage in their run game.
  • Okay, okay...well, the D did have one BIG boo boo. Whitley got lost in coverage on Dwayne Allen for what may have been the true putaway TD. He got turned around and disoriented as he turned back. The only thing I don't and can't understand is why Whitley stopped running on the play. Maybe his angle blocked the ball in the air. Maybe he thought the ball went elsewhere. Maybe he was just gassed and gave up on it (I'm guessing a combo of all three). But no matter what, you shouldn't EVER let a guy who's still running get behind you if the whistle hasn't blown. That's not characteristic out of Eddie, but it amounted to the biggest defensive mistake of the game and might've been the knockout punch. I look for much better out of him going forward.
  • Why couldn't Cris Hill be this guy for 4 years? But enough about the defense and the good. Now onto the BAD. And I mean B A D!

THE BAD

  • Offensively, it was a crap shoot. I have so many problems with what we did offensively I barely know how to start. A little GOOD note to the Bad section...I guess we can get used to completely relying on our defense again! And all things are right again in the universe.
  • I have been positive throughout the season to this point, because as I pointed out, Logan Thomas hype reached an unreal and UNREALISTIC point in the offseason, and I knew it would be a work in progress. Those of us who thought we were National Championship contenders in any other circumstance than if we ran the table and everybody else lost we would have a chance were being blindly optimistic.
  • With that being said, it is telling that our offense has made this little progress to this point. 5 games in is sort of make or break, no matter the opponent. If there is no visible progress by then, two things are true. 1. It's a legitimate concern and 2. It's probably not going to get much better.
  • A critique of Logan Thomas: We're getting pretty close to knowing what the rest of Thomas' 2011 campaign will be like. I will stop short of saying we know, because the offensive line played SO poorly against Clemson and at many times during the year that it is unfair to put the burden on him. But here's what we do know:

1. Logan throws the ball too high. I'm guessing that since he has a very high release point (being 6'6" and correctly bringing his arm over the top in his throwing motion), that he has trouble getting the ball to fly at a normal heigh. The bad news is his high balls have led to drops, tips, and inevitably interceptions. Furthermore, when Thomas tries to make an adjustment to his balls being high, instead of learning how to get the ball lower in the receiver's pocket, he tries to take something off of it. The result has been predictable, those throws have led to drops, incompletions and interceptions. So ideally Logan needs to find a way to get his throws down while maintaining his current velocity. Let's hope the coaches see that too and are working on it with him.

2. Because of that, Logan is prone to the turnover. He is one of many players, young and experienced, that are trying too hard to make the big play right now. He's not going to protect the ball as well as Tyrod this year (and we shouldn't have thought he would).

3. He's still struggling with recognizing and hitting his checkdowns, just a sign he needs more time to get comfortable.

4. His completion percentage has greatly increased, but that is in part to the staff catering to him. He has a lot of completions on bubble screens and outs, which is one of the reasons why he is averaging less than 12 yards per completion on the season. I think his accuracy has generally improved, but in regards to the completion percentage, it's not as good as it looks, much like it wasn't as bad as it looked early on.

5. I don't think this is even on the horizon, but given the expectations, and especially the history of our offenses and our fans reactions, the possibility still exists that Thomas could end up as a TE. As crazy as it sounds, and as solid of a commitment the staff has made to his as THE guy, if he continues to stagnate this season and Mark Leal were to make a tremendous push, it's not inconceivable that the staff would concede to the analysis that recruiting experts made: this guy's a TE. I may be completely wrong for suggesting this, and again I have ZERO confidence that this is going to happen. I'm just saying it is not out of the question and if he continues to struggle, he may not be a viable option down the road. But right now he gives us the best chance to win.

  • I will say this: Watching this offense makes me realize that it is the 2006 offense. Wilson is not dissimilar to Ore (at least in between the lines), though obviously Wilson is Ore 2.0...or maybe 6 or 7.0 is in order. But the point is, we are riding Wilson like we rode Ore. Offensively, we are Vanilla.
  • The offensive playcalling is obviously the biggest problem with what we did last night. Our coaches put together a piss-pore gameplan. We started by tipping our plays like a 60 mph. changeup. Run, David Wilson up the middle. Run, David Wilson up the middle. Throw. Run, David Wilson up the middle. Run, David Wilson up the middle. Throw. Repeat over and over. Don't get me wrong, I know and believe David Wilson with the ball in his hands is our best option. But teams know we run on 1st and 2nd and throw on 3rd. Imagine if the opposing offenses knew we were blitzing _ player on _ down all game long. They would make an adjustment and stop it. So we need to vary it up. We can still give Wilson 65% of the touches or whatever percentage works, but please oh PLEASE Mr. O'Cain, do we have to hand out our plays to the opponents D before the game? Vary it up.
  • Now I say that, but the second half was completely different. It was changing it up for the sake of changing it up. He got the message but responded incorrectly. He threw "The Price is Right" offense out there. He spun and whatever play he landed on regardless of the situation and the personnel he called. Yeah, the defense didn't know what was coming, but there is SOME structure to how you should call plays. It IS situational to some degree. For instance, you have a 6'6" 260 lb. QB and he doesn't get the ball 3rd and 1 when he averages 3 yards on such plays? Instead, Josh Oglesby, our POWER back gets the call to run the stretch!? On 3RD AND 1! Equally sucky is being down by 21 and still running bubble screens. What do you hope to accomplish? If you're packing it in, run it up the middle or down it. We all know we've seen plenty of that to know our coaches are okay in doing that. But if you're going to make an effort of it, DO IT! Don't just go through the motions!

THE UGLY

  • Scott Demler...this kid...I don't want to rip on an amateur athlete who's struggling under pressure. But there is a legitimate level of expectation that comes with a starting spot at a Top 25 program. I hope he DOES get it right, and I want the kid to succeed. But either he's way too in his own head or he doesn't have the leg required to do this on this level. I think it's the first of those two. But either way, if he doesn't sort it out YESTERDAY, somebody find this kid a seat on the bench.
  • Kyshoen Jarrett may be a big-time prospect, but he has been a big-time headache. Among the highlights of his 2011 season: Getting beat for a TD that should've been an interception, almost getting hit by a punt because he wasn't paying attention, muffing a punt and a costly and stupid block in the back penalty. He reminds me of D.J. Coles. D.J. had some real dummies before he reached where he is today. Kyshoen might get there, but I think I'm against burning the shirt for special teams duty where guys seem to freeze and err under the lights. It could eventually impact a season for us. A walk-on could do what he is doing just fine.
  • Jayron, I will never knock you for what you're doing on defense. He is becoming a more complete corner than Brandon Flowers and giving him a run for the best DB we've ever seen back there. But please stop trying to make too much happen back there. We need you to make big plays back there yes, but we can ill afford ANY negative or high-risk plays. And don't even get me started on the prospect of losing you on some punt return shenanigans.
  • Also what gives with the two-man punt return formation!? Me no likey.

So the undefeated journey is over, but at least we went 4-0. Hell, at least we went 1-0. But the real casualty of the game is our future recruiting class: A lot of potential signees, high ranked ones who were excited to see us play (some for the first time) were in the stands to see us get rolled. Hopefully some of that will be offset by the atmosphere, but I certainly would've come away from last night's game saying: "Who was that other team out there with Clemson?"

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Same old situation ramblings

It’s so frustrating each season to see how little progress we make with the offense. Even when we have veteran players, we always have a medicore and/or inconsistent O line and need a phenomenal athlete at QB to get us down the field. Even when we have great receivers and backs, we are always sweating through each week hoping the offense can put up points.

I don’t know what has happened to Beamer Ball. I don’t think we’ve had a great special teams season in long time. I understand that the game has evolved and its harder to block kicks now than it was 10 years ago, but in my opinion our whole kicking and kick coverage game has been average at best for a while. This season our punter is doing an awful job and the field goal kicking is not that much better.

Nice to see that the defense is playing well and Hosley is an animal back there. But when is Beamer going to put together the complete package? It’s such a let down to start each season with high expectations just to be exposed as lacking those 3 or 4 more players you need to be a great overall team.
 
This Clemson loss feels to me like the season we had a few years ago when we lost to BC and then came back to beat them in the ACC title game.
 
 

by loa777 on Oct 2, 2011 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

We can kiss any chance of title game hopes goodbye if we don't solve our problems ASAP

Right now Clemson and GT have the inside track. GT already beat UNC and I have ZERO confidence in us beating the jackets in Atlanta.

by chicagomaroon on Oct 2, 2011 2:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

UNC & GT

I’d expect to lose both UNC and GT. (Our Defense can never seem to slow up CBJ.. and this team is not winning a shootout)

No 10 win season this year… best bet: 8 wins.

Great post by the way.

And while we are talking future wins and losses.. Next season could be a shocker for us:
FSU, @ Pitt, @ Clemson, @ Miami, @ BC, @ UNC, Cincy…

by VT1996 on Oct 2, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

500 ACC Season?

Where is the coaching? Absolutely terrible. I love Frank Beamer but with first and goal from the 5 yard line down three and VT has a chance to change the momentum of this game! His comment after the game was that we made a bad play on third down with a perseedure penalty. He still does not get it? First and second down is where they blew it by running off tackle instead of play action or rolling out Thomas on a boot leg or an option pass. "PLAY TO WIN THE GAME…This team keeps nobody off balance. They are so predictable it is sickening. Tyrod was able to improvise last year which saved the pathetic play calling that has been going on in Blacksburg for the last 5 years. Clemson had the same problem last year and consequently went 6-7? They were smart enough to go out and find someone that had a little offensive imagination and look at the results. Quick kidding yourself..The VT offensive coaches need to look in the mirror and make big changes before we start writing on these blogs that time has passed Frank by. Even my wife asked how long was VT planning on blocking Branch with one offensive lineman or bring over the fullback for help? The offensive coaches are asleep at the wheel. This team will absolutely NOT be in the ACC championship game because they are too predictable and don’t spend enough time making in game adjustments on offence. Thank God for Bus Foster and the Defense, but they will have to score on D for VT to beat Wake on the road.

by LJCool on Oct 2, 2011 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

The call on 3rd and 1 to run Oglesby to the OUTSIDE was what did it for me

We have a giant at QB who can get 1 yard and we decide to run to the outside with the runningback who isn’t an all american track star. Why call that play with David Wilson not in? Why not a power I for Ogelsby to do his stuff or for LT to keep it himself and push it through? They did it later when we needed only 1 yard and it worked great.

VPI&SU? Vippie Sue? What the hell is that?

by Frinkahedron on Oct 2, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

yup

The play calling at the start of the game was good, keeping them of balanced. But as the game went on, it just left me scratching my head as to why we were calling some plays. When we had it firts and goal from their 5 yard line, and couldnt get it into the endzone twice with running up the gut, I just asked myself why are we giving it up the gut to DW when JO has become such an effective tool in the redzone. Just makes you wonder…

by StLHokie on Oct 2, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly..

LT falling forward picks up a yard or two…

by VT1996 on Oct 2, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

First Series

Yea, just like in the East Carolina and parts of the Marshal game when VT has some success rushing the ball yearly they become almost "arrogant" in that they think they can run it down the defenses throat. I don’t think running the ball with success is keeping the other team off balance…Its more like stop me if you can running the ball and when you get behind a good team like Clemson they sold out on the run and put VT in predictable third down situations and brought pressure on the outside and forced Thomas to make a play? It should be the opposite…a good ground game should make your passing game better, but with VT it doesn’t because they are tooo predictable…They have possession receivers so use them as such. Danny & Boykin work well against a zone but not a man to man…New wrinkles like the short passing game on first down, draws, screens and miss direction on third down, going deep on second and short, getting Wilson on a wheel route against a linebacker (something they did last year). I mean I am an old High School assistant coach but I know everything VT was doing, maybe because I watch every game from home or in the stands but it’s nothing new…I have seen them and it does not change…except when Tyrod would improvise but that was him and not the coaches….

by LJCool on Oct 2, 2011 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I Can't Stand

how the coaches and players acted like we didn’t get our butts handed to us. Our offense (minus David Wilson) looked like they have never played football in their lives. Our defense was good but our offense needs A LOT of extra practice. I’m not even going to even talk about Scott Demler, because we all know what should happen with that.

by Chris Brooks on Oct 2, 2011 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

please explain

How did any of the coaches or players act like they didn’t get their butts handed to them?

"Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything."

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by treywilson3 on Oct 2, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saturday’s 20-point loss tied the 2005 Miami game for the worst ACC loss since Tech joined the conference.

"Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything."

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by treywilson3 on Oct 2, 2011 7:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Coaches Re-actions

The coach’s reactions were much the same as after the James Madison and Stanford games last year….I doesn’t think the Boise State game got the same reaction from the coaches or the fans because they played a hard fought game.. However after the JMU game they vowed to fix the problems, which they did, even though they came out in game three against ECU very flat but had a good second half and the ACC schedule made Beamer and the coaches look good, I would argue that 80 percent was Tyrod Taylor being dominate and putting the team on his shoulders during that 11 game win streak. Then came the Stanford game and afterward Beamer knew he had to make changes. While the changes have been good for recruiting it has not translated to the Offence scheme. Beamer like last year said last night after the game "don’t count us out of the ACC championship picture", but I for one think he did not make the overall coaching changes necessary to deal with the problems on offence. The ACC has seen the VT offence model and by all accounts they don’t fear this team running David between the tackles and 10 yard outs to Danny C. A perfect example was last night when DW went for 123 and we scored 3 points at home. I think the handwriting is on the wall and this year – there is no Tyrod to bail the offensive coaches out and the ACC has improved. I hate to say it but my prediction is by year’s end is this team will be a big disappointment. After attending the Chick Fillet and Orange Bowls the last couple of years I am not interested in the Liberty Bowl this winter…Also Recruits like Stephen Diggs (Most important recruiter since Tyrod) will chose to go elsewhere and we will be without an effective wide out and less diversified offence again in 2012….

by LJCool on Oct 2, 2011 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

LT

I’m with you chicago…I think it’s not fair to VT or Logan to continue to force this guy to be a QB. He’s the best athlete on the field and his best pro potential is at TE, but he obviously doesn’t have the comfort, mechanics, or game knowledge to be a QB. We should start working on making Mark Leal the QB and put LT at TE, but that will never happen. Frank has too much commitment (read: stinginess) to admit that that he may have made the wrong choice and will continue to force Logan to be a QB for the next 3 years and the next two will just be absolutely painful learning years. I know I fully expect 2 years of agony and one possible 10 win season in his senior year.

by VTinACC on Oct 2, 2011 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

LT

Hopfully it’s only this year…and next year he comes of age

by LJCool on Oct 2, 2011 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

The offense looked

like Stinespring was back in charge of the playcalling.

And yes …. I’d like to see what Leal could do at QB & Thomas at TE.

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Oct 2, 2011 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Criticism

is fine after the game. I sincerely hope that nobody on here was mumbling like this during the game when we all needed to be cheering on our team. I’m afraid that the atmosphere in Lane probably hurt our chances with the recruits that were there, rather than help, on this particular occassion. And that’s on the “fans”. Do not stop yelling. Do not leave early. Period. No matter what.

by hokiegrad on Oct 3, 2011 8:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Inspirational Speech by Frank Beamer After the game

Frank Beamer’s speech after the game is inspirational and should be catapult our team in the right direction. We need inspiration with an away game at Tech still to come.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA4FxBQ020k&feature=related

by nanosecond on Oct 3, 2011 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

That's Beamer

Like I said in an earlier post…I love Frank Beamer. Great Man, does it the right way. But we have learned that he has now become a Cheer-Leader, a Motivator is he Joe Pa/ maybe not but it is headed that way…….we need a coach. An offensive Mind! As for the criticism of Logan Thomas. He has the talent, we as fans just have to wait for him to develop. This loss is squarely on the coaches. (Stiney, Cain & Beamer Sr.)They need to help LT, it is not like last year when Tyrod helped the coaches look good…it’s there tern to take the blame! Mark Leal would certainly do a good job if put into the game but in the long haul LT has THE major up-side but we may need a new offensive coordinator to help him. Clemson went out and found one why cant we?

by LJCool on Oct 3, 2011 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

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