Which is More Likely for Virginia Tech?
by furrer4heisman on Feb 4, 2011 11:22 PM EST
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PrintReader VT1996 has a question for Gobbler Country readers. He wants to know which event you think will happen first in Virginia Tech's history: Its next appearance in the BCS National Championship Game or a trip to the Final Four?
While the Hokies' history would indicate a title game appearance in football is most likely, the Hokies do have some promising talent coming in on the basketball side next season.
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Trip to the Final Four. Greenberg is picking up his recruiting and considering what he does with the current talent I can’t imagine him NOT making the Final Four somewhat soon.
"[...] coordinator Bud Foster has never had problems filling holes."
Greenberg
Has won one NCAA Tournament game in his entire career. I can’t imagine him making a Final Four.
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by furrer4heisman on Feb 5, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely right, Final Four
As furrer4heisman’s recent posts about coaching age relative to championships and just our general plateau in football since ‘99 (not meaning the program hasn’t improved), it’s tough to make a championship game 12 years after your first one. I’m not saying that as a whole our program isn’t leaps and bounds above ‘99, but if you look, in one individual season we haven’t been close to going back since. Hell, we lost to JMU in football this year. That would be akin to us losing to my Alma Mater (E&H) in basketball. No doubt, Greenberg has a level of “sexy” recruits want in on, and although he has been here for eight years now, it’s only a third of Frank’s tenure and he’s getting one of the top recruiting classes in the nation coming in next year. It may be easier to reach the pinnacle in college basketball, but Greenberg will be there sooner than Beamer will return there in football. If Grennberg hadn’t lost 5 scholarship players this season, I think we stood a VERY good chance of getting there this year.
All I have to say is...
George Mason University. Anything can happen in the tourny.
by Chazz Micheal Michealzz on Feb 5, 2011 3:32 AM EST reply actions
Write your local selection committee rep.
and tell them they’re an asshole. That should help our chances. We should have been in 2 of the last 3 years (about to be 2 of the last 4 with this team).
by chicagomaroon on Feb 6, 2011 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
final four..
The biggest hurdle to overcome in football is the BCS. Beyond “simply” going undefeated, there are a lot more obstacles a team (that isn’t in the SEC) needs to get past to make the BCS title game.
In hoops… the right mix of chemistry, talent, luck, match-ups, experience, etc. can get a team on a roll in March.
Tuff to say
Although it appears the final four would be easier to make, I’m not so sure. Yes, in football it’s really hard to get to the NC, in basketball it not much easier. We face duke, unc and maryland every year just in the ACC. The past three year’s we haven’t made the dance. We have solid wins but really bad losses. Putting the two together is harder than people think.
In football, yes its harder to make the NC game with the BCS alone. Having the right schulde make’s all the difference…
BCS National Championship
We were one first down away from beating Bosie St which would have prevented the fluke against JMU then we would have been in the National Championship this year.
VT has never been to the Championship game of the ACC Tournament let alone past the second round of the Tournament. They lost one starter, who EG has filled in brillantly for, and we are on the bubble again. Next step for the basketball team is an ACC Championship or a Sweet 16 appearance. Next step for the football team is an appearance in the National Championship game.
I doubt
We would have gone unbeaten if we had won the first two games. We needed the loss to JMU to realize we weren’t as good as our headlines and actually had to put in some work.
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by furrer4heisman on Feb 5, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
no chance
Even if we’d gone undefeated, we would not have made the NC game last year. That would have still been Auburn vs. Oregon.
As for basketball, you make it sound like losing previous year starters is the only problem a basketball team can face. How about losing ALL frontcourt depth? That has completely changed the way the team can play, and made it almost impossible to win if we get into foul trouble. Some of those losses we have? Wins if we have more healthy bigs. Also, yes, we only lost one starter from last year. But Chaney probably would have started over Davila if he’d been healthy. And JT was a dynamite 6th man. Injuries have really, really hurt the team this year. I wouldn’t even say losing that one starter, Hudson, was the biggest injury they’ve faced.
Not saying they’re going to suddenly be making Final Four trips anytime soon. But they do have some good talent coming in next year, and the upside of this year’s injuries is that we’ll have that much more experience and talent coming back next year in Hudson and JT. Could be a very good 2011-2012 season if everyone can get healthy and one or two of the freshmen can step up early. Will be interesting to see how Greenberg divides up the minutes. Certainly NOT the problem he’s facing this year. :)
Actually
we made a semi-finals appearance in 07, which is the third round
by chicagomaroon on Feb 6, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
Is that even a question?
You’re asking the question as if we have an established basketball program!
We aren’t maryland or wake forest, or Georgia tech – we are gonna have more down years than up years in hoops, fellas.
We have been totally spoiled in the geenberg era- The acc has been unusually weak the last 5 years, which is really the only reason we have had all of the success we’ve had in hoops.
by tulls200 on Feb 5, 2011 2:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Somebody hasn't been paying attention
in what way does ONE losing season over eight years constitute more down years than up? And considering the alternative in Ricky stokes, Greenberg has improved this program 100-fold. Seriously? I know the ACC is down THIS year, and I know that 06 wasn’t the strongest year known to man, but are you really going to argue a league with more national champions and draft picks over the time period you’re mentioning is historically DOWN!? Again, somebody hasn’t been paying attention!
by chicagomaroon on Feb 6, 2011 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
"losing seasons"
mean nothing in college hoops these days because teams load up on cream puffs to boost their record.
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by furrer4heisman on Feb 6, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. We haven't been worldbeaters with regularity
And cream puffs have been the staple of Greenberg’s diet, but seriously!? More down years than up!?
by chicagomaroon on Feb 6, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Ummm
For the last 5 years or so, 10-6 in the acc hasn’t meant what it used to be…. Tech fans should know that more than anyone. Say all you want about getting snubbed, but i don’t think I have EVER seen worse 10-6 acc teams than the ones we had 2 of the last 4 years.
Just look at this year – there are TWO above average teams in the entire acc! Virginia tech could finish 4th in the acc and end the season without a win against an rpi top 50 team and have zero tournament consideration. If that’s not a mediocre league, i don’t know what is.
The Final Four, Seriously?
As much as I’d love to see the Hokies make a final four appearance, I think a BCS NC appearance is much more likely. Did you see the game against BC today?
Although we started the season with a higher ranking than both Oregon and Auburn in the polls, even if we had beaten Boise and JMU, a national championship appearance wouldn’t have been a given, but we would have been close – very close – much closer than the basketball team has been to the final four – ever.
No matter how well a recruiting class is ranked, we don’t know what we really have until the ACC season begins. We have to get to the tournament before we can get to the final four. Go Hokies!
by HokieHoopsFan00 on Feb 6, 2011 12:53 AM EST reply actions
No, the hokies wouldn't have gone to the national championship game
I know we’d all like to believe that, but much like 05 when we wouldve been left out regardless, much like 04 when auburn was, much like Boise state, Utah, blah, blah, blah, we wouldn’t have played unless the situation was drastically altered, and that doesn’t even include the “what ifs” on our end. Everybody who said the Boise loss reversed would equal u’s undefeated at the end of the season is a wishful thinker of the highest degree. As much as I HATE to say it, and I DO hate to say it, the JMU loss was our biggest blessing in disguise. Now I’m thankful everyday (though it still hurts me when I come to this conclusion) that given the way we didn’t end up winning, even by one point. It was a wake up call of the highest degree, and it REALLY needed to wake up our staff. The jury is still out on them, but they should’ve got their asses into gear after that loss (or before!). If it doesn’t end up having any affect on the staff and we suffer a similar setback this coming year, I think it’s clear what we need to do in our near future.
And as for Greenberg and the #12 overall class, we’ll be just OK next year I believe, BUT, the key is not to give the older guys who will be coming back off of injury TOO much time. You have to let those younger guys develop. Jarell Eddie is a good example this year. He was a top-50 recruit and he’s looked absoluteltolosy at times. Sl it is important to plY them and let them get their legs. Sony have TOO high expectations for 11-12.
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