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What if Beamer Committed Tressel's Misdeeds and When Do You Fire a Legend?

It hard to imagine Jim Tressel's current situation getting any worse. SB Nation has a full, detailed run down if you want, but basically Tressel knew his players were selling memorabilia, didn't tell Ohio State about it and lied to the NCAA about it, but did inform Terrelle Pryor's mentor.

Now, Tressel has been suspended five games (the same as his players) and could face more punishment from the NCAA. Really, the only way this could get worse for him is if it turned out he paid someone to try and keep this all a secret or if he's Dave Bliss.

It doesn't look like Ohio State is going to fire Tressel for his offenses, though he probably would have already been if he were a lesser coach or at a university that doesn't value football as much as Ohio State does. Hell, at the press conference announcing Tressel's initial suspension of two games, Ohio State president Gordon Gee said, "I'm just hoping the coach doesn't dismiss me."

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There are a few who believe Ohio State should fire Tressel, including one writer for The Lantern, Ohio State's student newspaper. But this isn't a coach who has been at Ohio State for only a couple of years or one with a history of losing. This is a coach who brought a national championship to Ohio State, is 9-1 against its arch rival and until recently had done so the right way.

Tressel's a guy I like who has earned some leeway with his school for the way he's won and the way he's conducted himself. But he's quickly making Ohio State's decision to keep him a difficult one and if more incriminating details come out about his knowledge of his players' dealings, Tressel and the university might reach that tipping point.

So the question becomes this: At what point do you fire a legendary coach? And I'm not talking about the situation Bobby Bowden was in where the program had become stale and was failing to meet expectations. When do you fire a coach who's still winning, but has done so at the cost of the reputation of the program and the university?

Frank Beamer hasn't brought a national championship to Blacksburg, but he has built the football program up from basically nothing to a respectable one that wins regularly. I think that if he were in the same situation Tressel was in, he probably would have gotten the same treatment. Suspended, not fired, censured, not dismissed.

But what would it take for a coach like Beamer, Tressel, Bob Stoops, Mack Brown or Nick Saban to get the boot? These things are rarely black and white and I think you have to weigh a coaches' reputation against the violations themselves. The five coaches I just named are going to have to do a lot more to get fired while still winning than someone like Brady Hoke, Mike London or Mike Stoops.

So when does a legendary coach force the hand of his athletics director? Does he have to lie to investigators like Tressel? Does he have to incur severe violations for academic misconduct like Minnesota basketball coach Clem Haskins? Does it take paying players? Or does it take the full Dave Bliss?

To me, I think once you get into pay-for-play territory is when you dismiss a long-tenured, successful head coach with no prior history. Tressel's actions won't get him fired, but I'm sure Ohio State would have to think long and hard about his future with the university. It's also more proof that no coach, despite their record or reputation, is above doing something to tarnish their legacy or their institution.

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When do you fire a coach who’s still winning, but has done so at the cost of the reputation of the program and the university?

I think it’s a case by case basis. It’s definitely an interesting point and I think the decisions made fall on the reputation of the school, the coach, and the program. I think you’re right about the pay for play stuff, but I also think massive academic problems—whether it’s cheating or failing classes—should be another thing. I know academic problems aren’t entirely a coach’s fault but there is a point where they’re held accountable.

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by Casey Richey on Mar 28, 2011 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

What’s the old adage – “It takes years to build trust and only seconds to destroy it.” I personally think a coach who is caught in a lie concerning any material aspect of their obligations should be fired. At that point, the coach loses all credibility and becomes a permanent liability to the reputation of the school. The pursuit of integrity and truth is (or should be) the cornerstone of academic institutions. One you identify a liar, he needs to be banished. Many a student has been expelled from colleges for lesser sins than Tressel committed.

I personally don’t care if Ohio State keeps Tressel. I think some people want him fired just so OSU’s program declines. In my eyes, he is a proven liar and a cheat. The longer he coaches at OSU, the worse off the reputation of the school is, regardless of how many more successful football seasons he brings them. OSU should be embarassed.

If Beamer did the same thing as Tressel, I would advocate his swift exit as well. Except, I would hope that Beamer would do the classy thing and resign.

by loa777 on Mar 28, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Tressel

I believe Tressel WILL resign. Remember these guys sold items that belonged to them.
Tress should have been forthright and stood up for them then and faced the consequences. These are minor violations and unlike USC and others were not aimed at gaining competitive edge. I really believe Tressel was trying to protect his players but just made a poor choice. I don’t think we’ll see him on te Buckeye sideline again and it’s a damn shame. At least he didn’t bolt to the NFL like some USC coaches.

by Mark Blackford on Mar 28, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

No way...

No wayy does Tressel resign. Resigning would mean admitting he did something wrong. In this day in age.. nobody.. NOBODY every admits they did something wrong.

People these days “misspeak”, “misremember”, “misquote” etc.. but nobody every fesses up and admits they did something wrong.

by VT1996 on Mar 29, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t really care that the items being sold were their own property. A violation is a violation. The reason Tressel should retire is because he was caught attempting to cover up the violations and lied to the NCAA when asked if he had any knowledge of violations. At that point, the violations themselves took a back seat to Tressels personal unethical and deceitful conduct.

I agree that he probably won’t resign because he has so much support from the powers that be in Ohio. He will probably just hope this will fade from memoery over the next couple seasons.

by loa777 on Mar 29, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

OSU has Shown Onions Before...

OSU has fired a legend in the past, non other than Woody Hayes. Granted his offense, slugging a Clemson player during the Gator Bowl, was far worse than anything Tressel has done.

As for our guy, well I would think that without a serious history of repeated violations game suspensions (including the UVA game) could be warranted. Honestly, I don’t think that what Tressel did was worthy of a firing. Still, neither he nor OSU should set the terms of his punishment. That is what I think the issue is here.

by jsonitsac on Mar 30, 2011 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

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