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Analyzing 10 Years of Preseason AP Football Poll Data

The Associated Press released its 2011 preseason football poll this weekend, ranking Virginia Tech No. 13. The concept of the preseason poll is an interesting one because of how much change there is in college football from year to year.

The preseason poll is a complete crapshoot, but its effect can felt through a good part of the season. Often we'll see teams have their preseason perceptions bolster or limit their place in the Top 25 even deep into the year. I'd love to see how the Week 6 poll would look if no prior poll was taken.

All the preseason poll is good for is water cooler discussion. Most of the time it's a strange formula of (Previous Season * Returning Starters) + (Recruiting Ranking / Strength of Schedule) * (Speed of Light ^ 2) + (Mysterious Notre Dame Factor). Plug in the numbers and whaddaya know, OU's No. 1, Virginia Tech's No. 13 and Notre Dame is No. 16.

How much does the preseason poll equate to end of season rankings? Very little, unless you're No. 1 or No. 2. Teams ranked No. 10 and No. 22 in the preseason had almost an equal chance of finishing unranked the last 10 years. In fact, take a good look at that preseason poll linked above. Ten of those teams will be unranked at the end of the year.

Want more numbers? Follow me after the jump.

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Below is analysis of how teams ranked 1-25 in the preseason AP poll fared in final AP poll in the last 10 seasons (2001-2010). For teams that finished unranked, I flushed out the final poll to include teams also receiving votes (courtesy of this site right here). If a team received no votes, they were assigned the number after the last team receiving votes (this ranged from 34 in 2006 to 43 in 2005). It's not perfect, but that's the best way I could think of doing it.

One more note: In 2009, Oklahoma State and Penn State tied for ninth in the preseason poll. Both counted toward teams ranked No. 9 in the preseason, so No. 9 has 11 teams factored in and No. 10 has nine. In 2009, Penn State finished No. 9 and OSU No. 30. You follow? Good.

And why the AP poll? One, it was the easiest data to find. Two, how many coaches really watch more than one or two games a week and how many head coaches actually fill out their own ballot? So, the AP poll it is.

10 YEARS OF AP PRESEASON POLL

(Rank - preseason rank; AVG - average finish in the final AP poll; UR - number of times the team in that spot was unranked in the final AP poll; Best - best finish by a team in that spot in the final AP poll; Worst - worst finish by a team in that spot in the final AP poll.)

RankAVGURBestWorst
1 4.2 0 1 13
2 4.8 0 1 17
3 13.9 2 3 NV
4 14.1 2 5 31
5 15.2 2 1 NV
6 12.9 2 2 30
7 13.2 1 1 28
8 10.3 0 1 23
9 23.5 5 9 NV
10 27.1 5 11 NV
11 17.8 4 3 NV
12 20.6 3 7 NV
13 22.0 5 1 NV
14 20.5 3 3 NV
15 28.4 5 12 NV
16 27.6 5 11 NV
17 23.8 6 2 NV
18 31.1 7 9 NV
19 28.6 5 8 NV
20 25.7 6 4 NV
21 22.3 4 8 NV
22 25.2 5 1 NV
23 33.2 7 19 NV
24 27.1 7 6 NV
25 33.6 9 25 NV

  • The most surprising spot in the preseason poll is No. 8, which is one of three spots not to finish unranked at some point the last ten years and has the third-best postseason rank. This year, its Texas A&M at No. 8. Also, watch out for No. 21, which has the 13th-best average finish. This year's No. 21 is Mizzou.
  • Meanwhile, the team at No. 10 has an averaged an unranked finish the last 10 years and five of the nine (remember the note above) teams have finished outside of the Top 25. This year, Nebraska is No. 10 in the AP poll. No. 15 has also struggled the last 10 years, with the 21st-best average. Arkansas is this year's No. 15.
  • An average of 9.9 teams in the preseason AP poll finish unranked. Really, it's remarkable how close that number always comes to being 10. There's almost no differentiation.
  • The average start for the eventual national champion is 6.7. Toss out the best and worst start (No. 1 and No. 22) and that shrinks to 5.5.

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You guys have a shot at it

And I think this year, you could do it. I’d love to see UVA pull off a win, of course, but it’s not likely. I’ve said it over and over again- it took Frank Beamer six years and a steady diet of cupcakes, persevering for calls for his head over and over again, to shape the Hokies into the program they are today. You can’t turn things around overnight.

But, then again, I guess I’m an anomaly. I love to give you guys shit, but I grew up a Hokie and I was in Blacksburg on 16-APR-2007. I root for VT anytime they’re not playing UVA.

Question, though, man- how d’you think VT’s strength of schedule will fare in the BCS rankings? I gotta imagine the “computer program” would look at that pretty hard. I suppose it depends on how will Miami, UNC, FSU, UVA, GT, etc, are playing, too. Could you guys go undefeated and still not make the National Championship game?

by ragekage on Aug 23, 2011 5:10 AM EDT reply actions  

If we’re somehow the only unbeaten, we’re in. If we’re unbeaten and the only other unbeaten is from God’s Conference, we’re in. If we’re unbeaten, there’s one more unbeaten and a one-loss SEC team, we’ve got no shot. Any scenario with more than two unbeaten BCS teams and I don’t like our chances.

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by furrer4heisman on Aug 23, 2011 9:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Who do you has the gusto to be there at the end?

I dunno, Oklahoma seems kind-of hypey to me. Alabama, blech, but I suppose you can’t count them out. FSU is 6th?!? Who paid off USA Today?

Well, so Miami has 15 players under investigation. Didn’t see a breakdown of what players they were losing. FSU will be the biggest test, I suppose. on the schedule- not that you can afford to take anything for granted with JMU/William and Mary/Appalachian State, obviously. Sorry, I was in the middle of writing that and the earthquake happened- let me finish my thought later. :)

by ragekage on Aug 23, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other words, there’s no sense in worrying about what we can’t control. This is the first time in a long time we’re playing an easy schedule so just go with it. There’s no way we’re going undefeated anyway.

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by furrer4heisman on Aug 23, 2011 9:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'll take a crack at this...

Here’s my guess on which 10 teams will be unranked at the end…

1 Georgia
2 OK State
3 Ohio State
4 Miss. State
5. Auburn
6 TCU
7 USC
8 WVU
9 Notre Dame
10 LSU or Boise State

I’m probably way off with LSU/Boise State. I felt pretty confident in the first six teams I mentioned. I kind of wanted to mention Wisconsin. I hear Russel Wilson’s name thrown around so much like he’s on the level of Michael Vick or Tyrod. To me, I just think of RW throwing a bunch of picks.

by VT1996 on Aug 23, 2011 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Wiscy was ranked in seven of last 10 preseason AP polls and finished unranked four of those seasons.

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by furrer4heisman on Aug 23, 2011 3:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

At first glance, the most interesting thing to me is the 8/9 break.

That seems to be the point where high finishes suddenly become much less common. All four columns tilt pretty strongly at that mark.

My first interpretation is that people are pretty decent at figuring out seven to eight teams that should reliably have great seasons. After that, there’s a lot of guesswork involved, especially since it’s now getting into the second and third best teams in major conferences. If that’s true, then preseason polls actually do tell us a bit more than we tend to let on. They just don’t tell us a lot about a particular team in any given year. Instead, it’s more aggregate, and the top 8-ish teams have a legitimate advantage over the next few slots heading into the year.

by David Hooper on Aug 27, 2011 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

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