Virginia Tech 26, Arkansas State 7: Tell Me a Story
I wasn't able to watch the game today and won't be able to get to the DVR until Sunday afternoon. From the looks of the box score, the Red Wolves were never able to do anything on the ground so we were able to commit more personnel to stopping their passing attack. I did catch the end when the TV color commentator called the Hopki the "Bruise Brothers" so I'm guessing the D-line did a good job. On offense it looks like Wilson didn't have nearly as much room to run as he would have liked and Thomas was able to move the ball at times, but threw a pair of picks.
That sound about right? How'd Thomas look? Were his mechanics improved or did he show some of the same inconsistencies that showed up against East Carolina? Who impressed you during the game and what does Tech need to work on most before ACC play? I'll have something about the game after I watch it Sunday but for now I want to hear from you guys.
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Impressed.
I was pretty happy to see Logan Thomas play well. I’m no judge of mechanics but he seemed to be playing with poise and making good decisions. We could have run the ball better I think. I think the O line will be a weak spot against regular sized competition.
by vtbasser on Sep 18, 2011 1:27 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
Here's a summary in a nutshell
They ran a REALLY good play on the first drive that made Kyle Fuller bite. Our high school team used to run it under the name 2 and go, which would essentially mean an out route with a pump fake and the receiver would flash his hands simultaneously and then turn directly upfield for the go part.
After that it was tough sledding all day for the Ark. State offense. So yes, again, the defense was incredibly impressive. The D-Line was great against the run, which we did pretty much stuff. But we were not able to get a consistent pass rush until late. Beamer and Foster expressed frustration with them being able to pick up our blitzes despite us sending the house. However, it still worked, as the secondary put on a fine display of art in coverage. I am confident that the secondary is our TRUE #1 strength. Kyle Fuller and Chris Hill were once again just as huge as Jayron.
Thomas looked better, and you can see that from his statline. But it was actually a lot more of the same in bigger quantities. Yes he looked markedly better. Not one of his passes that wasn’t actually intercepted looked like it was going to be (i.e. the 3-4 passes that hit ECU defenders in the hands last week). There were a couple dropped balls again by the Hokies however. The balls were generally more accurate, but the thing that bothered me is that all of his balls are still coming out high. One of the interceptions was WAY bad. It was behind Davis considerably. He would’ve had a touchdown if he had led him. The other was another jump ball (he’s gotta stop throwing those) and in this situation he came up short (or Danny Coale did). Oh yeah, and Coale had a monster game, not only receiving but blocking too.
The run game never took off for us as they loaded the box early and often. I applaud our coaching staff for seeing that was going to be an issue and calling the game accordingly. They kept going with Thomas, even after his interceptions, which I liked. I just expected it to stop coming based on our past history. But I think we strive for more balance, and when we can, we’ll do it.
As for playcalling, it was frustrating losing points on our standard 3 runs and pass in the red zone. Missed field goal off bar. Demler looked awful still.
The two above posts really sum up the game
But when Thomas threw the interceptions one was poor decision making ( I think that was the Davis one when he was covered by three defenders) and on the coale one it was possible that coale could have come down with the ball as much as the defender did. The defense had a great game especially if to take away the the first pass that aplin threw. Also Thomas had a few beautiful passes that were dropped by various receivers but that’s how it goes sometimes. I also liked how Wilson got stuffed against the run, Thomas was able to throw some beautiful passes to keep the offense moving.
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by the maroon bird on Sep 18, 2011 8:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Other analyses are very informative
I would first like to applaud O’Cain for putting Logan in a position to succeed. Last week our offensive playcalling looked very Stineyish at times with a run run long pass pattern. This week we called lots of quick short passes that got Logan’s confidence up. The oline was solid in pass blocking, but did not get it going in the run game. The surge was not there and there were almost no lanes. Some of this can be attributed to the fact that they were stacking the box, but our big uglies need to get better leverage on runs. Defense was incredible, DW looked frustrated at times, Danny went off, Demler looks like a middle school punter, and that’s all I’ve got.
Not quite as Optimistic as these other posts
I fail to see as much optimisim from this game as the other posts. To me so far after ECU and AKST, LT looks like he has a LONG way to go before hes ready to lead this team to an ACCCG, at points in the game yesterday I was actually wishing they’d put in Mark Leal, at least hes more accurate. Im so tired of seeing the WR’s have to jump 3 ft in the air to catch a pass or watch it sail over them or be under and get intercepted, and this is against BAD teams people, whats gonna happen when we face real defenses? LT is not accurate at all and after the way Clemson and Miami played this weekend, if we dont see a marked improvement next week against Marshall, we will be easily 0-2 in those games. The D played Well but ruined thier own stats by allowing thier QB to run free too many times, they used alot of the same QB draws that JMU used against us and it was very effective still. This also makes me nervous about GT because they are a true triple option offense now that they can pass. Bottom Line is i’m happy for the win, but very nervous moving forward.
Do not understand this
I have heard this from way too many Hokie fans this year and I absolutely do not understand it at all. Logan is in his third year learning the system, he simply knows the offense better than Leal. He has way more physical gifts than Leal (taller, stronger arm), and most importantly he is the undisputed quarterback of our team. All of our receivers have spoken highly of him, and he is clearly becoming a leader on this team. Our coaches haven’t even mentioned Leal as being an option. The story the entire offseason has been Logan is no doubt our number one, let’s figure out who our number two is. There is no quarterback controversy, stop trying to create one. Logan gives our team the best opportunity to win; end of story.
As for GT, the difference for me this year is our front seven. Our dline is better than last year, especially our ends. This is very important against an option team. Also, our linebackers are much improved and we will not have to run a nickel against them this year.
Undefeated is not a given
I know it has been talked about a lot, but it is very probable that at during the regular season we will suffer losses. Those losses could be to Miami, Clemson and/or GT. The Miami win was good for the conference’s perception, but saying Ohio St. is anything but a shadow of its former self is untrue. I mean what did the Buckeyes have going for them? Anyone who watched the game last night saw Ohio St. looking as bad or worse than Miami looked good. Jacory continued to throw picks and they still won. So yes it’s impressive from the outside looking in. But if you really pick at it with a fine tooth comb, you see that our defense is better and we have a game-breaking running back. In other words, yes Miami will be a test (as will everyone), but I never wrote them off in the first place.
It’s hard to make anything concrete out of Clemson. They were being beaten by two FCS teams that required second half comebacks, and they just beat a defending national champion at home that lost everybody and their brothers and sisters (18 starters from last year’s team) and have themselves been in two games where the underdogs game them a real run for their money. What to make of them? Well, personally, I am wary of Tajh Boyd. He looks amazing! Right now I believe he’s leading for ACC POY. Other than that, I feel that Clemson rose to the occasion. I do think they’re the second most likely team to beat us, but they’d do so with offense, not D.
And as for GT, yeah, they’ve been the most interesting to me. Seeing them add some semblance of a passing game really makes them more dangerous. I’m always afraid of them and their triple-option based on our past results. But if you look at WHO they’ve beaten (Western Carolina, Middle Tennessee and Kansas), they SHOULD have beaten the pee out of those teams. So I don’t think you can read into that until they play someone too.
As for Thomas, he will win a ballgame for us at some point this year. You could argue he did that yesterday. But, he is a work in progress, and we ARE seeing progress. Even if slowly. Yes Leal had a VERY good game against App. St. But please remember that was App. St’s BACKUPS as they had conceded the game and got their guys experience. By that token Daniel Dyer should be pushing David Wilson for time based on how he did. So it’s still too early to hit the panic button. We’re 3-0. That’s something to be happy with in itself.
by chicagomaroon on Sep 18, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You have pretty much the full story from above...
I was surprised (read: disappointed) that we did not generate the pass rush we should have been capable of against Arkansas St., on the flip side, it is something of a testament to the strength of our secondary that despite the absence of a disruptive D-line, there was only about 15 seconds of breakdown in the secondary for the game (that unfortunate pump-and-go, which I think is probably in every high school playbook in the country, but whatever, I would have probably bit on it as well. Alpin, the Ak St. QB, was really pretty good, sold those option-reads exceptionally well and he threw well on the run.
Again, I don’t have a firm grasp on passing mechanics, but something just seems a little off with Logan’s passes, anyone agree? I don’t know it seems he is just hesitating a bit, like he doesn’t quite want to put the whole of that 6’6’’ 250+lb. frame into his throwing motion. I noticed a lot of times he was really trying to guide the ball forcing some air underneath the ball when it wasn’t necessary, there were instances when he did zip it in, but they seemed to be ill-advised attempts into traffic. Maybe, I am just so used to seeing VT QBs running around and fluidly moving from run to pass or pass to run, that the more regimented style of Thomas is disconcerting. I did agree with the above assessment that by and large the play calling was moving in the direction of diversification to fit our QBs needs.
Certainly, this incarnation of the Hokies is loaded with talent hopefully they put it all together against the stiffer competition of the ACC. On to Marshall, I hear they have serious issues on offense and they are something like 107th in points scored in the FBS.
I'm sure it's in a lot of HS playbooks
We receivers just used to love running it though, because if you did your job and sold it well, the second you turned upfield you heard “SHIT!”
by chicagomaroon on Sep 18, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was a good game
What I saw of it, anyway. Solid, but not breakthrough- except maybe Danny Coale. Now, against the Seminoles… that’ll be key. And it looks like Miami might be back in it; certainly not a pushover this year.
Seeing FSU-Oklahoma brought it home to me. FSU didn’t slouch- but you had a rookie quarterback going up against a veteran, and that made the difference, I think. Thank God LT has time to “cut his teeth”. That’s what frustrates me about UVA, say- we have the talent there now, we could’ve beaten UNC yesterday, but for stupid rookie mistakes (three personal fouls? Talk about drive killers), or not being quite able to connect on that clutch throw. I think VT’s much more disciplined, but it’ll be key things like making sure he can get it done to bring VT all the way.
I like the playcalling
The D is sicknasty
Logan needs to quit throwing it into double and triple coverage.
Go Hokies
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by bluecollarhokie on Sep 18, 2011 4:01 PM EDT reply actions
i really appreciate
Justin meyer’s consistent kickoff touchbacks. That has to be recognized.
by Jodoma on Sep 18, 2011 5:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yes and yes.
If only the punter could follow suit…
by USF_Hokie2009 on Sep 19, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The LT Haters
Need to slow themselves down. Is he Andrew Luck? No. But he’s a better passer than Tyrod was his sophomore year. After watching the Miami and OSU game, LT looks 10X better than Jacory Harris. If LT has similar improvement to TT, he’ll be great his junior year yr and lights out his senior year. Just relax, and enjoy the DW show while LT grows and gets better.
by Chazz Micheal Michealzz on Sep 19, 2011 2:09 PM EDT reply actions

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